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DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 22 2012, 7:11 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2012, 7:11 PM EST
it is hard to admit a mistake, it harder to make it in public

McG have make something right, hard but right. Good luck for McG, Good Future + Learn of your mistakes (something hard too)

http://www.showbizspy.com/article/244514/mcg-made-mistakes-with-terminator-salvation.html

“I gave that movie every thing I have,” says McG, real name Joseph McGinty Nichol.

“I’m so humble to have worked with Christian – Sam (Worthington) was great in the picture — and the whole cast.

“I really stand by a lot of that movie but I definitely made some mistakes.
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1. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 22 2012, 10:45 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 22 2012, 10:45 PM EST
Deja Vu: Similar article was posted last year in October on another website. At the time I created a thread on the red wiki about it.

http://www.sarahconnorfans.com/thread/4762760/McG+admits+mistakes+with+Terminator+Salvation

The article: http://www.totalfilm.com/news/mcg-admits-terminator-salvation-mistakes

In that article it suggested McG was angling to making a director's cut. If it happens, probably not until eve of next Terminator film.

As a novel, I enjoy Terminator: Salvation. As a movie, not so much.

If his apology is sincere, well then McG earns a few points. But it won't get our show back.
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2. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 23 2012, 7:56 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2012, 7:56 AM EST
"Deja Vu: Similar article was posted last year in October on another website. At the time I created a thread on the red wiki about it.

http://www.sarahconnorfans.com/thread/4762760/McG+admits+mistakes+with+Terminator+Salvation

The article: http://www.totalfilm.com/news/mcg-admits-terminator-salvation-mistakes

In that article it suggested McG was angling to making a director's cut. If it happens, probably not until eve of next Terminator film.

As a novel, I enjoy Terminator: Salvation. As a movie, not so much.

If his apology is sincere, well then McG earns a few points. But it won't get our show back.
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Thanks for this data

1- If his apology is sincere, well then McG earns a few points. But it won't get our show back.

100% true

I like this apology, is something fair and good for McG mind and soul... (if it is sincere...)

long time without a Deja Vu
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3. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 23 2012, 12:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2012, 12:47 PM EST
Except this is the same guy who brags about making "popcorn" movies like Charlie's Angels and This Means War in an interview a few weeks ago. His latest film is being critically panned and hasn't performed well at the box office either.

Secondly, if there really is a lot of "great footage" they left on the cutting room floor, why wasn't it included in the Director's Cut, which has already been released? This is supposed to be the version of the film that the director wanted to put on screen, with no edits for time. It's his preferred "vision." Yet the director's cut for T4 has 1 3 minute scene added. That's it.

If he's talking about a "director's cut," he actually means another extended edition with a bunch of scenes thrown in that he thought should be on the cutting room floor. In other words, not something that represents his "true vision," but something that's really another cash grab.
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4. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 23 2012, 7:21 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2012, 7:21 PM EST
"Except this is the same guy who brags about making "popcorn" movies like Charlie's Angels and This Means War in an interview a few weeks ago. His latest film is being critically panned and hasn't performed well at the box office either.

Secondly, if there really is a lot of "great footage" they left on the cutting room floor, why wasn't it included in the Director's Cut, which has already been released? This is supposed to be the version of the film that the director wanted to put on screen, with no edits for time. It's his preferred "vision." Yet the director's cut for T4 has 1 3 minute scene added. That's it.

If he's talking about a "director's cut," he actually means another extended edition with a bunch of scenes thrown in that he thought should be on the cutting room floor. In other words, not something that represents his "true vision," but something that's really another cash grab.
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I do not like McG work, I do not like T4

However I like McG apology, if it is sincere... Because it is good for McG mind and soul.

Plus I believe that Terminator Fans DESERVE McG apology.

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5. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 24 2012, 3:54 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 24 2012, 3:54 PM EST
"it is hard to admit a mistake, it harder to make it in public

McG have make something right, hard but right. Good luck for McG, Good Future + Learn of your mistakes (something hard too)

http://www.showbizspy.com/article/244514/mcg-made-mistakes-with-terminator-salvation.html

“I gave that movie every thing I have,” says McG, real name Joseph McGinty Nichol.

“I’m so humble to have worked with Christian – Sam (Worthington) was great in the picture — and the whole cast.

“I really stand by a lot of that movie but I definitely made some mistakes.
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While sometimes publicly admitting own mistakes could be an attempt to regain some kind of "trust" (from the viewers, in this case), I think that McG is not the main responsible for t4's bad uality... so, actually, he did the best thing by apologizing.
I would read the original script, before the various heavy modifications that bale imposed cause his character wasn't so important.

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About the novel, while it is well written, some mistakes and bad reading of the whole franchise are much more evident in the book than in the movie: in the first the machines are openly described as unconscious automaton with different degrees of complexity, that totally contradicts Uncle Bob's words: fail!
Also the book, being for those who have already watched the movie, spoils Marcus' nature, somehow wasting his character.
The ending is much better in the book than in the film.
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6. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 27 2012, 5:24 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 5:24 PM EST
"While sometimes publicly admitting own mistakes could be an attempt to regain some kind of "trust" (from the viewers, in this case), I think that McG is not the main responsible for t4's bad uality... so, actually, he did the best thing by apologizing.
I would read the original script, before the various heavy modifications that bale imposed cause his character wasn't so important.

@The1Russter
About the novel, while it is well written, some mistakes and bad reading of the whole franchise are much more evident in the book than in the movie: in the first the machines are openly described as unconscious automaton with different degrees of complexity, that totally contradicts Uncle Bob's words: fail!
Also the book, being for those who have already watched the movie, spoils Marcus' nature, somehow wasting his character.
The ending is much better in the book than in the film.
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----I would read the original script, before the various heavy modifications that bale imposed cause his character wasn't so important.----

McG was T4 director therefore he said YES "to various heavy modifications that bale imposed"...

McG did mistakes..
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7. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 27 2012, 6:14 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 6:14 PM EST
"----I would read the original script, before the various heavy modifications that bale imposed cause his character wasn't so important.----

McG was T4 director therefore he said YES "to various heavy modifications that bale imposed"...

McG did mistakes.. "
A director could have very few choices when a so called "star" is imposed him/her (maybe simply to have big names on the poster), and bale requested the changes.
Could have McG imposed his will and refused to content bale? I think no, or he simply wasn't able to do that (someone else would have imposed own will with tricky diplomacy).
At most the real question is: is bale a star? Was it worth to ruin a movie only to have him in the list? I personally remember him only in another movie...
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8. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 27 2012, 11:17 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2012, 11:17 PM EST
neither mcg and bale cared about terminator theme

t4 was just their way to sell tickeets and get on screen

mcg apology doesnt mean anything if he didnt learn

i want bales apology !!!
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9. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Feb 28 2012, 10:23 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2012, 10:23 AM EST
"neither mcg and bale cared about terminator theme

1. t4 was just their way to sell tickeets and get on screen

2. mcg apology doesnt mean anything if he didnt learn

3. i want bales apology !!!"
1. About McG, the best way to sell tickets working on an already existing franchise is to produce a nth movie that can make people want to watch the n+1th one, so producers will want to hire you again to direct the new movie(s).
About bale, he didn't care the tickets (I don't think he was payed a percentage of the grosses, so the tickets weren't in his mind... and he ruined his presence on the screen (as many think, his best performance in t4 was the one blaming the light technician). I would hardly decide to watch another movie with his face (sorry for Nolan, who always makes good movies, but seems to like him).

2. I hope he did: he should have at least earned not to direct movies that are not for him... each director has his/her kind of movies, which is about the movies (stories) (s)he likes (as for everything else). Someone hired the wrong director, and simultaneously his persona wasn't strong enough to face bale.
I'm not defending McG, I don't know him, nor his movies, I simply say that, even directed by him, t4 would have been better (or, at lest, more linear) without bale's changes, cause the story was inconclusive and fragmented.

3. What should bale apology for, for being himself?
When that kind of people is around, it should be someone else's duty (the director/producers) to control them, cause they're usually totally out of control...
I would consider bale's apologies as fake and opportunistic, unless he's in a position not to need to apologize (say, he becomes very famous and his career is not affecter by t4's mistakes anymore)

What I would know is: if bale was so "famous", why did they hire him for a role that was originally marginal? Why didn't thay hire someone else that would have done his job and maybe also become more famous with it (in case of a better movie)?
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10. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 1:30 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 1:30 PM EST
I have never been all that impressed by any of McG's movies that I have seen.
McG does seem to be a good guy. He was in Huntington, WV quite a bit a few years ago during the filming of "We Are Marshall" and later returned to the city and Marshall a few times after the movie was released. I liked him and was really hoping "We Are Marshall" would be a terrific film, but I found the movie to just be mediocre, so much less than a more talented director could have made.
I therefore wasn't surprised that T4 wasn't very good; I was surprised by how bad it was.
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11. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 4:19 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 4:19 PM EST
I'm not sure I've written this before, but I don't think of T4 as an actual "bad" film. Certainly thought it was better than Transformers 2.

I thought it was average. Had some good action sequences for the beginning 2/3rd but the ending was a big letdown. I think my brother put it best: "It's fine until the plot catches up with it." Meaning: they set up a couple of ridiculous things with Kyle Reese being targeted and they never follow through on it, because they can't. Movie's also hurt by lacking a defined protagonist and antagonist: we never see Skynet until the end, and then it's very underwhelming.
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12. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 6:01 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 6:01 PM EST
"A director could have very few choices when a so called "star" is imposed him/her (maybe simply to have big names on the poster), and bale requested the changes.
Could have McG imposed his will and refused to content bale? I think no, or he simply wasn't able to do that (someone else would have imposed own will with tricky diplomacy).
At most the real question is: is bale a star? Was it worth to ruin a movie only to have him in the list? I personally remember him only in another movie..."
is part of McG director work deal with stars..

Sometimes hard work....

Visual was great in T4, and plot really weak

about action T1 & T2 make Great action.....
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13. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 7:20 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 7:20 PM EST
TSSC and T4 were in many ways polar opposites. TSSC was character driven; sometimes the show had slow spots but there was a story line that made sense and characters you could care about. Special effects, extended action and big set pieces were largely absent, for budgetary reasons if nothing else. T4 was all special effects, action and big set pieces with a minimal plot and no characters worth carrying about. Three years after the demise of TSSC I can still recall episodes vividly and I enjoy fan fic about the show. Three minutes after I watched T4 I tried to put it from my mind. Do you find this valuable?    
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14. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 11:42 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 11:43 PM EST
Here's a dose of irony for you: TSCC was only made because Hollywood was bringing T4 to the big screen.

Both entered production around the same time, both were started by C2 pictures, then Halcyon developed them further after buying the franchise. The identical starts for production are no coincidence, do not think otherwise.

And, I actually think Halcyon was very displeased by the alternate tack TSCC took. Remember, the thing that matters most to owners of this franchise is the movie series. So of course they'd want any TV series to tie into it any way it can. Just look at what Star Trek did with DS9 during First Contact (new uniforms) and Insurrection (2 lines inserted randomly into an episode). They envisioned TSCC as the bridge to a new trilogy. It was supposed to take place between T2 and T3.

This isn't nonsense. I just read the old Variety article, announcing the Pilot. Since it's behind a paywall, I'll post the thing in full. It's dated November 9th, 2005 (so it took 2 years for the series start filming for the small screen)

"The "Terminator" franchise is rising again, this time as a Fox TV series.

Andy Vajna and Mario Kassar's C2 Pictures, which produced the most recent "Terminator" feature, has pacted with Warner Bros. TV and scribe Josh Friedman ("War of the Worlds") for the tentatively titled "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Skein will focus on robo-warrior Sarah Connor and her savior son John Connor.
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15. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 11:43 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 11:43 PM EST
"Fox has made a pilot commitment to the project, with a significant penalty attached. Net declined comment on the project, which attracted serious interest from several webs.

Friedman is aboard to pen the pilot and serve as exec producer-showrunner of the series, which will take place in the fictional time frame between the second and third "Terminator" features. Vajna and Kassar will serve as exec producers, with C2 senior veep of development James Middleton also producing.

In addition, Vajna confirmed that C2 is in "the final phases of development" of a fourth "Terminator" pic (Daily Variety, Sept. 24, 2004) and that the series will have a link to what's being envisioned as a new feature trilogy.

"There will be a connection," Middleton said. Linda Hamilton is not expected to be involved in "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." And because the series will be focused on the Connor family, it's not anticipated that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a regular part of the skein either regardless of his political fortunes a year from now.
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16. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 11:44 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 11:44 PM EST
Vajna and Middleton had no comment on any potential guest role for Schwarzenegger.

Middleton said the series will explore what happened to Sarah Connor after the end of "T2," when the character went on the run. "She has the weight of the world on her shoulder and she also has to raise a 14-year-old son who may be the salvation of the world," he said.

Friedman said his "challenge is trying to figure out how to reinterpret (Connor) for television."

Because the "Terminator" franchise involves time travel and alternate futures, Friedman believe he'll be able to take a few plot liberties in the series -- emphasis on "few."

"The last thing I want to do is take a title and exploit it," Friedman said. "The show needs to stand on its own while still being respectful of the franchise."

Unlike the features, "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" will not be non-stop shoot-'em-up or chase scenes, in large part because of the reduced budgets of television.

"There's going to be a healthy dose of both (action and family drama)," Friedman said, noting that the "Terminator" mythology "has a lot of big ideas in it that don't cost you a dime to explore."
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17. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 1 2012, 11:48 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2012, 11:48 PM EST
""T3: Rise of the Machines," produced by C2 and Intermedia, grossed $427 million worldwide; the franchise overall has grossed more than $1 billion.

Vajna said C2 has been weighing an entry into TV via the "Terminator" franchise for nearly two years and said the company hopes to develop other projects for the medium.

After deciding to take the plunge, ICM-repped C2 pitched the idea to several studios, with Warner Bros. ultimately making the most sense, Vajna said. Warners handled domestic distribution of "T3."

Friedman, repped by UTA, wrote the script for Brian De Palma's upcoming "The Black Dahlia."

That's the end. Now contrast this info with what Friedman and McG were saying in 2009: that the movie and TV series were not connected to each other. So you had 2 things which are supposed to be connected to each other heading in opposite directions. You think WB or Halcyon was pleased by this? They probably had half of their marketing departments screaming that they were splitting the fanbase with two alternate entries. Now McG, with a long developed script, probably got to do what he wanted, but Friedman? Probably was under tons of pressure to tie the series into the movies, especially when he got the back 9 episodes for season 2.
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18. RE: DIRECTOR McG has apologized to fans of Terminator
Mar 2 2012, 9:25 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 2 2012, 9:25 AM EST
" TSSC and T4 were in many ways polar opposites. TSSC was character driven; sometimes the show had slow spots but there was a story line that made sense and characters you could care about. Special effects, extended action and big set pieces were largely absent, for budgetary reasons if nothing else. T4 was all special effects, action and big set pieces with a minimal plot and no characters worth carrying about. Three years after the demise of TSSC I can still recall episodes vividly and I enjoy fan fic about the show. Three minutes after I watched T4 I tried to put it from my mind. "
I disagree about t4: the first part was a good story (not so important, but good) and Marcus was a well written character. If the story had been all crap, I wouldn't be reading this thread anymore: on the contrary, it seems that bale ruined the plot, and that's why I will never (I could never) watch another movie with his face (I'm sorry for Nolan)
With the story so ruined, all we got is action: I like special effects, but while they can be a prominent part in a VG, they can't in a movie...

P.S. I'll be back in few days :(
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Mar 2 2012, 10:09 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 2 2012, 10:09 AM EST
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With the story so ruined, all we got is action: I like special effects, but while they can be a prominent part in a VG, they can't in a movie..."
That was my point. I don't know if Bale ruined the film or who did, but T4 was all action, little characterization. The giant terminator who managed to sneak up on the house in the desert early in the film was silly and the movie never recovered from that scene IMO.
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